LK: I was reading your blog this morning and you were talking about the importance of listening, trusting your ideas, trusting the process, and I was curious, what does that mean to you? Do you come into the studio, and before you paint, do you listen? Or do you just go for it, and you’re trusting that it’s going to happen?
AF: Well, there’s lots of different parts to the way that I paint, that I need to kind of invite trust. There are parts of some of my painting where I lay them down horizontally, and I pour mixtures of paint and synthetic resin onto the canvas, and I have to trust that that paint’s going to do something that I can’t do. And I also have to trust that no matter what it does, I will be able to…like, if it destroys or obliterates a certain area in a painting that I’ve come to love, I have to trust that I’ll be able to get it back, that it was for the best. You know? So there’s trust in that…I feel like, I’m just now learning in my late thirties, that I do have to listen more to the impulse, and that initial kind of want to do a thing, and not beat it down….I have this habit of saying “No you can’t do it. You can’t. You can’t do that.” And that’s ridiculous.
LK: Where do you think that comes from?
AF: Education. I don’t know. Growing up with a dad who was in the military. I think we all learn it at a very early age, what the right answer is, and unfortunately I think that probably truncates a lot of really brilliant behavior in people. Because you learn what you’re supposed to do to fit into the tribe. I think we’re tribal beings.
LK: Oh, yeah.
AF: We want to fit in to whatever that is. That’s why it’s also really important to choose the people that you surround yourself with very carefully. There’s that saying that you’re the sum of the average of the five people you’re closest to….
LK: You’re painting, and you’re not afraid of ruining pieces of it, because something happens during the process…
AF: Well I always start with an idea of what I think the composition’s going to be….but you never know. And even now, things get really frustrating for periods of time, and I just have to keep working through it that, you know, it’s not the end if you’re not happy with it. So, just keep working, working, working…
LK: So that leads right towards my other question. When you have those kind of moments when you’re blocked or frustrated or not working, do you have techniques that you do to help you go through it?
AF: I would love the answer to be like, yeah, I go for a walk, or I mediate for fifteen minutes…
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AF: The answer is really “No.” I just work myself to the bone until I totally screw it up, and then I have to abandon it, and then I will go for the walk. I think my impulse is to figure it out. That’s usually never the answer.
LK: Maybe because time is so precious to you, that you don’t have time to…
AF: Yeah, you know, but I should know by now, because it really is the answer, to get into some good-feeling place before trying to make something happen….
LK: Do you find you need to get space from your work?
AF: No, actually, the exact opposite. I get really cranky, actually, I get really frustrated when I don’t have at least two studio days back to back. Because if I’m not engaged, if that conversation isn’t regularly going on, it takes me a long time to get it going again, if that makes sense.
LK: Oh, absolutely. I definitely understand. I would rather paint every day for three hours, than one day a week for ten hours.
AF: Yeah. It’s really hard. Because there’s that really hard hill to get over in the beginning.
LK: Yeah. Maybe it’s like exercise.
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AF: Yeah, exactly! Absolutely. Because I would rather work out every day…
LK: I don’t know. It’s nice to be on a roll….but, you gotta do what you gotta do….if you don’t have time…
AF: Yeah, even though I only have one or two studio days a week right now, I still come down and say hi to the paintings every day, to try to keep them warm.
LK: That’s awesome.
AF: …to keep that conversation warm.